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Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes September 10, 2025 --------- Page 12 of 14 dumbed it down to 14 and then I dumbed it down to five. There is a lot of garbage out there too, and we don’t give you all of that. Mr. Shelby and I look at a lot of websites out there, and we are shocked at what goes out to the public. We try to get the best of the best, so I just want you to have a little more faith in knowing that we don’t just make it up and that we care too and that we put a lot of effort into the research and the stuff that we do too. Commissioner Goodwin said it shows in the communications that are coming out of the department and the things that they see for fliers and events. They are top-notch, and you can tell that somebody thought really well about what our community is and what our branding is. It is good, and you can tell that somebody didn’t just make chicken scratch. Secretary Larson reiterated that the amount of effort it takes to do these things and the research is a lot though, and that is why people hire professionals, because you still get to make the decisions and tweaks, but the professional consultants do a lot of the engagement. She said that’s why cities typically do it like Chair Anderson mentioned before, because it takes every chunk of effort and some of it might be better with help just because of the time factor. Commissioner Goodwin said and what it takes you guys away from. She also said so when you think about the process that you just shared, how does that reflect then in the way that we number these things? Commissioner Goodwin said that if we are coming, are we bringing a strategic vision to the community, and then we want engagement, or are we asking them to inform? So, is community engagement number one or is it number two? Mr. Stremcha said he thinks that engagement of the community is a top priority, so having all of your priorities from one to six and ranking them by all means. Commissioner Fermoyle said she likes providing a strategic vision and then for engaging with the community to be this is what we see and what we want to do, and then get feedback or whatever and move on. Commissioner Loidolt said number two. Commissioner Fermoyle said that we want community engagement to serve as a tool. Commissioner Loidolt said he did too. Secretary Larson said it might be more like Play My Way, and instead of documenting the comprehensive community engagement, it would be more like gathering the results, or utilizing the results, you are doing comprehensive community engagement and using the results you get as a tool. I am not sure how you guys want to say it. Commissioner Fermoyle said that how about that the decisions reflect community input? Mr. Shelby asked where this should go. She said she encourages taking out the whole statement and just put engage the community. Commissioner Fermoyle suggested Decisions reflect community input and continue to have communication transparency to the community or transparent conversations. Commissioner Goodwin said, Yeah, something like that. Councilmember Grupa said that he looks at number four and says he hopes they will do that. Commissioner Goodwin asked him to say more, what does he mean by that. Commissioner Niziolek said two and four have overlap so they can consolidate and make them one. Goodwin asked what he meant. Commissioner Niziolek said because they said resources dealt with financial Commissioner Goodwin said like guide and manage capital expenditures and improvements. The commissioners agreed there was overlap. Commissioner Niziolek said staff will blend two and four, so let’s move on and then they can come back and look at what staff have done to blend 2 and 4 to keep the process moving. He thinks that it would be important. He thinks they are getting a little bit too technical. He thinks they just have to verbalize our thoughts and ideas, let staff tweak it, come back, and share it with us and then proceed on because this is going to take way too long if we don’t do it that way. Chair Anderson asked, so we don’t think community engagement is its own thing. The other commissioners said yes it would be. Mr. Shelby said it would be number two. Chair Anderson asked if