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Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes Page 3 June 14, 2023 Commissioner Loidolt said that he cannot give his vote on the trail between J and K tonight. Mr. Tabone asked if the conversation about these items could continue later for consideration. Commissioner Loidolt said that he would consider it. Commissioner Niziolek said that he would feel more comfortable if he could see the grading plan for the overall park property and that he would be voting blindly until he does. He thinks good things are happening but wants more details. He said that according to the trails master plan that describes “scenic property” with specific criteria, “You can accept property if it is low land along streams or areas of rough terrain when such areas are extensive and have natural features worthy of preservation.” Commissioner Niziolek said without the grading plan he finds it difficult to act on this. Commissioner Anderson asked if the grading would go all the way down to the water in the gravel pit. Mr. Tabone confirmed it would. The slope would be cut to allow for the trails to go down to the water. The remainder of the land will graded out to usable flat land and or usable slopes. The grading plan is being worked on to reflect this and that is the direction Lennar received. Commissioner Anderson said that between the trails and the water it is likely that it will be graded. He asked who would be responsible for reestablishing the vegetation after the construction and Mr. Tabone said Lennar would because it needs to be done within two weeks as part of maintaining the water quality. The south loop of the water feature would have a trail in a future phase of the development. The Commissioners asked when the project is going to City Council. Mr. Tabone said it would be the next Council meeting in June and or the July 17 meeting. Commissioner Anderson said that they are relying on Chair Williams, Mr. Stremcha, Mr. Hecker, and Mr. Carlton for the information surrounding this project. Commissioner Anderson wants to see the next grading plan for the park before recommending and supporting this. He does not believe the commission currently has enough information. He hopes that he can see cost estimates and trail that the city is paying for. Commissioner Anderson asked Mr. Tabone if the elevation of the pond has been established. Mr. Tabone said yes, and it is deep in some spots, but he did not have the numbers at this meeting and said there is culverting in that area to maintain the stormwater rate and environment. Mr. Tabone said everything is being reviewed by staff. Mr. Stremcha explained to the commission again that the slope will be programmable space. It has changed four times with different versions based on conversations and will continue to change until the final design. Commissioner Anderson clarified that it was a two percent to three percent slope. Commissioner Niziolek said he thinks he is going to approve this, but he would really like to see the grading plan before deciding. Commissioner Niziolek said he does not understand the interest between J and K. He would rather drop that and focus on other areas. He would rather focus on trail connections and entrances from the road. Mr. Tabone said that staff had initiated the want for the trail to be there initially so that is why. Staff recommended the trail for access and maintenance. Commissioner Loidolt asked if staff had approved the plan yet and Mr. Stremcha said no, it is still being reworked and that is why it is being discussed tonight. Commissioner Brown said that he does not see it as their job to see the grading plan and question the engineers. Commissioner Niziolek said that according to the master plan he believes that this project may not qualify. He then requoted the piece of paper that he kept reading from the master plan. He said that the park property is very steep right now, and he said that he wants to see the grading plan. Commissioner Anderson