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City Council Minutes November 3, 2014 Page 5 recommendation is to use permeable pavers to reduce storm-water runoff, and that requires a base of 3' — 5' deep of crushed granite, in order to hold the water. Councilmember Westgaard stated he felt providing seating was a park issue and should be included in the Park Plan. He asked why Option 5 is off the table, and felt they need to have a discussion with the Fire Department as to the necessity- of the access, since there are other ways to access the site in case of a fire. Ms. Fischer had discussion with Fire Chief Cunningham to clarify. The alley is 15 feet wide, not the required 20 -foot wide space for emergency services. Therefore, a portion or the entire alley could be closed. Chief Cunningham did request that adequate space be left available at the bottom of the alley to accommodate a fire truck if needed. Councilmember Motin stated he would like to bring the issue to the downtown business owners for input. Mr. Hecker stated Steve Benoit, of his staff, contacted the group and let them know the issue is being discussed. Mr. Hecker stated some grass and seating on the bank would provide more space for concert patrons. Councilmember Motin asked where the trees would be relocated, and if there would only be grass on the bank. Mr. Hecker stated some low shrubs could be added, which would not block the view. Councilmember Motin stated he was unsure about using pressed concrete, but asked how they would know for sure they would get 25 years out of the pavers. Ms. Fischer stated a representative of Borgert could attend a future meeting and provide details on the products. Councilmember Butandt stated she felt it was important to address both the aesthetics and the run -off. Discussion followed regarding their options. It was noted replacement of the pavers with the same type of paver would not address the stormwater run -off concerns, not would the use of stamped concrete. Discussion also followed regarding whether the pavers should be replaced on the crosswalks. Mayor Dietz asked why they need to have pavers in the crosswalks, if they are deteriorated from salt. He noted it is difficult to see the crosswalk now with the patching. Mr. Thompson stated the pavers ate designed to hold up to salt, but the pavers currently in place have been determined to be inferior. He stated they could paint lines to make the crosswalk area more visible. Councilmember Wilson stated he would like to see pavers stay in all the current locations. He felt they should look more closely at Option 5 and noted that he was never fond of the alley being left open and seemed to be unnecessary and confusing for drivers and pedestrians. Mr. Thompson noted he recalls the alley was used years ago for pumper trucks to get down to the river to fill with water, but that practice has long been abandoned, Mayor Dietz asked if the projects mentioned could be done "piecemeal " - first, by fixing the pavers, and then the Park Commission could look at the retaining walls and the NATURE